are we seriously trying to say that fujoshis are ok. are we for real doing this. what the fuck yall
Fujoshi is the Japanese word for a female slash fan. That’s it. Westerners stole and misused/appropriated the term as a substitute for ‘fag hag’ which a LOT of Japanese-speaking people (including myself) have spoken out against. Please stop misuing the Japanese language.
As both a translator and someone who knows actual Japanese people to confirm this, I can tell you that fujoshi absolutely is synonymous with “fag hag”, no matter where you are in the world.
It’s a derogatory term, just like fudanshi is, and no amount of reclaiming it or using it ironically will change that fact.
Just because you’re studying the language doesn’t mean you know everything about a culture that isn’t yours. Nor does it make it acceptable to spout shit that isn’t true, while also calling other people racist when they correct your ignorance.
How about some English resources from Japanese people?
Needless to say, 腐女子[fujoshi] means a BL(Boys’ Love) fangirl though some people think it means a female otaku.
So some female otaku might not like to be called 腐女子 unless they like
BL.
Female fans of BL/yaoi and/ or fans/creators of male x male pairings in novels and manga and so on. It’s a fandom term.
Are you saying that my Japanese-born, Japanese-speaking, ethnically-Japanese aunt ISN’T an actual Japanese person? That my native-Japanese and Japanese-diaspora friends aren’t really Japanese? What the fuck, dude.
Anyway, yes, it started out derogatory, and when used as an insult it’s derogatory (obviously), but it’s long been reclaimed as a fandom term. Here, have the origins of the term.
‘What the fuck, dude’, indeed. I never said anything about your hypothetical aunt or friends. The problem is you.
People unironically call themselves otaku as well, but that honestly doesn’t make it any less cringy or shameful.
You think a fujo has any shame about fetishizing gay men?
You said that you know “actual Japanese” people, implying that I didn’t.
I can’t seem to find any information regarding this Joseph D. Lesser, other than he seems to create a lot of dictionaries for various languages without sources, and there are a few mistakes or archaic usage of words in the Japanese version when paired with other well-used Japanese dictionaries such as jisho or kotobank. That’s why I chose multiple dictionaries and encyclopedias as sources, so you could cross-reference them. Some people may use fujoshi in a disparraging way or as a substitute for ‘fag hag’, but that doesn’t change the definition of fujoshi referring to a fan of BL or fictional mxm pairings.
Otaku is another term that’s no longer as derogatory as it once was. During the 90s and early 00s, the otaku murder case was still fresh in peoples’ minds, but nowadays a lot of young Japanese people will call themselves otaku without it being an issue, much like how ‘geek’ has become a term of endearment in the West. People calling themselves geeks are not calling themselves carnival performers who bite the heads off live chickens.
Did you read the links I gave you? One of them even talks about how many fujoshi feel guilty about their interest in mxm pairings and comics, and how they specifically go out of their way to not bother real gay men. Are there some that are homophobic and objectify us? Yes, of course! There are shitty people in any group. But that doesn’t mean that all fujoshi are ‘fag hags’, nor does it mean that all ‘fag hags’ are fujoshi.
Again with this ‘language’ game.
Consider this. The literal definition for ‘gay’ was ‘happy’ several decades ago.
Do you think that’s what it means today? When you hear the word ‘gay’, do you think we’re talking about how happy we are? Orrrr…..
do you think of a person’s sexual orientation/lifestyle?
We’ve said it over and over again. The words fujoshi and fudanshi have been reclaimed just like the word ‘gay’ has.
Also. We’ve argued that MOST women that are into BL are queer themselves in some way; either in sexuality or gender. That includes the mangaka.
Yes there ARE people that sexualize us, but they SHOULD NOT be called fujoshi. Fujoshi/fudanshi are merely fans of BL. Fiction. Fictional gay romance. We also slash fictional characters in any fandom. That’s all we do.
Stop getting your information from TERFs about fujoshi/fudanshi while you’re at it. Stop believing that it’s ‘made by straight women, for straight women’ because that’s actually more FALSE than not. As I said before, many mangaka as well as their fans are queer in some way. I’d say well over 80% I only know like two straight girls in our fujoshi groups. Everyone else I meet are LGBT.
Yes it’s geared toward women because it’s ROMANCE. How many men do you know of that are into chick flicks and romcoms? Exactly.
Here’s how it goes: Romance/passion = girls thing, Action/adventure = guys thing. Oh and gay men that are into romance….what do you think they indulge in???? What do you think they tend to write/create? And what are they called when they do that? Give you one wild guess….
I’d also would like to bring up what’s wrong with straight people indulging in gay media? Bet you’re also one of those that says straight people shouldn’t celebrate our pride month/parades with us when all they’re doing is willing to understand us. You should only go after people because they oppress you, not because they’re straight. Because I”m sure you’re not stupid enough to believe they’re all like that. What you’re saying is counterproductive and creating more homophobes by proving how horrible LGBT people can be to someone just because they’re straight. Your hate does nothing to help us.
@rottenboysclub I commend you on your patience and I love your arguments. I”m sorry. I can’t handle these LGBT gatekeepers and purity police anymore. I mean seriously, this wasn’t an issue last year or the year before. Not until some certain tumblr blogs popped up. You probably even know which ones they are…
Basically, you’re arguing over “I want to call random women reclaimed insults and slurs because of assumptions of maliciousness I’ve forced upon them – is this one okay to use?” when I’m saying “Why are you wanting to insult random women in the first place?” It’s misogyny. The vast majority of hatred toward “fag hags” and fujoshi and toward women in general is misogyny. Just put up your little “No Girls Allowed” sign on your porn fort and go.
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